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Re: Alternate chords

Postby ldpayton » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:05 pm

I like the TR F2s. I am guessing on the first one he wraps the thumb for the low F?

Yeah, he wraps his thumb around to catch the bass F note. I first noticed him making this F on his Church Street Blues instructional video. He doesn't mention it as part of the instruction but if you watch his chords while he's singing it appears he uses it consistently as a substitution for the F chord (rather than as "salt" seasoning).

it's a nice closed chord once you learn it

It is a closed chord but doesn't sound so closed as X5452X especially since I often let the open A string ring (X04532). I prefer it over the XX0212 chord because it moves the 7th from the B string to the G string giving a stronger dom. 7th while still blending nicely with cowboy chords.

I like the XX0778 D7, too, but it's not something I would have thought to use as part of my rhythm playing. I'll have to try it out.
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Re: Alternate chords

Postby TNTaylor414 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:16 pm

I like to use this "cheater" G7 type chord 323003 when going from a G chord to a C chord. Third fret on the low E string is optional there because you want to hit the second fret A string walking to the C chord, if that makes any sense.

Larry, I play something close to what you are talking about instead of playing a D or D7 chord. x5453x. I'm playing the third fret on the B string instead of the second. 'Course, you may be talking about something completely different.

Like this feller at 1:16 - 1:19 in this video. I think you get maximum effect if you copy that strum pattern too.

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Re: Alternate chords

Postby ldpayton » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:50 pm

Larry, I play something close to what you are talking about instead of playing a D or D7 chord. x5453x.

x5453x is what I meant to type instead of x5452X. I just can't spell out chords without the guitar in my hand.

I also use G7 forms that are similar to yours- I sometimes use 3x3033 and sometimes 3x343X- but I'll have to test out 323003.
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Re: Alternate chords

Postby TNTaylor414 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:22 pm

I figured we might be talking about the same chord. That is a good one.

Tried out some of your G7 chords. Those are nice. I've seen a similar one x330033 used briefly to end a phrase. That may not even be a G7 type chord (rekon it's some form of C :) ), it just makes your ear want to hear a G chord next. I have a video if that doesn't make sense.

I have another Tony Rice jazzy G7 chord I'm trying to work out. Hope to update soon.
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Re: Alternate chords

Postby ldpayton » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:02 pm

This isn't really about alternate chords so much as alternate fingerings. This is probably pretty basic stuff, but since I didn't manage to figure it out on my own, I'll share it.

Fretting two strings with one fingertip was one of the first technique lessons I got from my current mentor. He encouraged it both because of the economy of motion and because picking up two strings with one fingertip frees up a finger for chord embellishments.

I use this C chord most of the time now:

C Chord.jpg


With the 3rd taken out of the high E string, it's almost a power chord, and hitting all 6 strings gives a big booming C that works well for progressive bluegrass. Alternate picking the bass notes is easy from this position, too.

This Am chord I had seen Doc Watson use, but I always figured my fingers were too small until I tried it:

Am Chord.jpg


This F chord I still struggle to form cleanly, but I'm trying:

F Chord.jpg


The idea of fretting two strings with one fingertip seemed beyond my capabilities until I tried it, but it's actually not too difficult. The middle of the fingertip rests right between the strings and the edges of the finger pad apply enough pressure to sound the notes. Like everything else with guitar, it just takes repetition.
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Re: Alternate chords

Postby mreisz » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:22 am

Great post Larry. I use a finger for double duty quite a bit as well. It was indeed a breakthrough for me. I think the Em7 shape of 0 2 2 0 3 3 is where it first opened up some nice things (droning the D and G when going from a G5 to an Em7 has a nice sound). I don't typically double the third finger for the F shape, but I do use the third finger to mute the D string. I don't miss the octave F in that chord and with the D muted it still makes it closed (so I can move it). I'll give it a try and see if my fingers will cooperate.
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